They were not LCN and didn’t have any formal ceremonies. Most of all this is true with the exception of missing some people. These guys mentioned as a whole also like I said a few missing pretty much ran everything. Not having any formal ceremony it was more like they were all connected in some way be it through friends, business, politics or pleasure. But one thing for certain they were this core group because they were friends and spent leisure time together. But this was a solid core. As far as the two grandkids mentioning Stan wasn’t a part of any of this? My guess is he didn’t bring them to the race track, strip clubs, ball games or fights etc where most of us youngsters got to go but I didn’t see Stan bringing his two boys either so grandkids nope. And from early on as I remember he was always there. All these guys.